THE VICKY COREN INTERVIEW
Victoria Coren needs little introduction. Author, journalist, poker player, TV personality (lots of it)
take your pick and put them in any order. Vicky's the girl that stopped all the bad boys fighting at school and made them all be friends again.
She looks good, likes a cigarette and plays poker
that pretty much ticks all the boxes of every bad boy in town. How can we resist? They even named a card room after her. We had a chat recently about Hold'em, the Beatles and tongue piercing
this is how it went.
David Lloyd: Hi Vicky, how are you and where are you?
Vicky Coren: Im in my study at home. Ive tried to think of a more interesting answer to that, but there isnt one. David: Im buying, whats yours?
Vicky: Ill have a cup of tea please. Its my default drink. Yes, the party never stops.
David: ;-) Last time I saw you we were in what some of us lovingly call the Home of the Brave, the Vic, during the EPT event
did you enjoy playing in it? How do feel you played?
Vicky: I played fine; my aces got cracked and that was the end of that. And of course I enjoyed it. I love the Vic, especially in tournament weeks when theres £250 Holdem and its full of visiting friends. And any chance to play a tournament on home turf, in my delightful pink ParadisePoker.com vest top, is a good thing. It might have been more enjoyable if Id won it, but you cant have everything.
David: I heard youd set up shop in the NLH cash games there these days. Are the games as good as some say they are and how often do you get an opportunity to play?
Vicky: NLH? Who told you that? I am a patriotic Brit and this is the home of pot-limit! I hope it will stay that way despite the relentless attempts by America and TV to persuade us otherwise. I dont know about the games being good, exactly; there are some tough long-time players in the Vic and Im sure there are softer games elsewhere. But we get our share of Father Christmases. I feel jumpy if I dont get down there at least once or twice a week, but its not always possible.
David: You seem to be one of the hardest working women in poker
how do you fit it all in?
Vicky: I dont know really. I dont get enough sleep. I was just saying to someone in the Vic tonight, Ive been working really hard lately and not getting enough time to do nice things like play cards and see friends and go on holiday which makes you think, whats the point? Whats the point of working hard to earn money if you dont get time to do anything with it?
David: Its nice to have an EPT event on the doorstep, do you plan on playing in any of the others? With Deauville and Monte Carlo coming up in the new year it must be tempting
what with all the shopping opportunities J
Vicky: Oh sure
last year in Monte Carlo I managed to buy a pair of shoes which somehow, in the universe of Monte Carlo, looked just beautiful: green silk high heels with little jewels all over them. As soon as I got them out of Monte Carlo, of course, I realized that they resembled the working uniform of a Middle Eastern prostitute. So I might think twice next time.
But EPT events generally
well this is what I was saying about the work thing. I really wanted to go to Barcelona and Dublin this year, but I couldnt because of work. So I decided to go to all the EPTs next year to make up for it. But already Copenhagens looking a bit iffy with another work project around that time. I dunno. Cash play is my main staple, but foreign tournaments are my luxury treat and its a shame not to have time. Plus, in the current poker climate, people expect you to have decent tournament results, but if you dont get the chance to play many of them then its not going to happen. And then people get all cutting and suspicious, and I hate that.
David: Going back to the hardest working woman in showbiz thing
what was the first show you ever worked on as a commentator?
Vicky: I cant remember
the first full series I did was Celebrity Poker Club for Challenge, but Id done lots of one-off things before that, you know, when you go in and do one heat of a tournament and that kind of thing.
David: Did you feel comfortable doing it the first time or was it as nerve racking as I imagine?
Vicky: Oh not nerve-wracking at all. I dont have many skills, but I can talk under pressure.
David: Do you find it easier now
how much pre preparation do you get into?
Vicky: Well, on the celebrity ones, obviously you have to do a bit of research on the people theyre often from TV shows which I havent seen. But for normal poker shows, you dont have to prepare I mean, you cant prepare you just have to wait and see how the people play, and then comment on it.
David: I have to say, I always enjoy your commentary
I like it that you throw a lot of humour into the mix
'For women looking for a sense of security in their lives, there is nothing more attractive than an addicted gambler' being your finest hour ( I put it into the FISHTALES section at www.gutshot.com )...Do you prefer doing TV to writing about the game?
Vicky: Oh God yes. Writing is actual work.
David: There must have been many a time youve had to bite your lip when someones made a horrendous move
ever been tempted to give the odd subtle rub down or are you too nice a girl for that?
Vicky: Um
. Well, in the celebrity shows, obviously people make a few curious plays. But I wouldnt want to be horrible I mean, theyre not pretending to be the greatest players in the world. Theyve come to play for fun or for charity, the show is about entertainment rather than a showcase for super-pros, and theres no reason to be mean. If somebody draws to a straight on a paired flushing board, or calls all-in with no hand, theres usually
theres usually a polite way of expressing surprise, or perhaps suggesting an alternative way to play those particular cards
David: Have you ever said anything you wished you hadnt?
Vicky: No, but only because while youre doing it youre not thinking about what you just said; youre already onto the next thing. And I dont watch the programmes when they go out on TV. I get embarrassed watching myself on TV, or hearing my weird croaky voice, so I generally avoid it.
David: Have you ever NOT said, something which you wish you HAD said
Vicky: No, although they once cut something which I thought was a shame. Mike Tindall the rugby player was in one of the celebrity games hes a good tournament player, absolutely fearless and with a decent sense of situation and hes also a really nice guy. I was telling my co-commentator (Mark Gregorich) that Mike is the boyfriend of Zara Phillips, and I mentioned that Zara sometimes has a big stud in her mouth. They said they couldnt possibly broadcast that on ITV. I couldnt see why not. I was simply referring to her fashionable tongue piercing.
David: LOL
Thats the Royals for you
I blame Prince Albert
Back to playing poker...hows your online game
any successes?
Vicky: I play on Paradise Poker, obviously, which I think is very well named it still seems a miracle to me that I can have poker right here at home, 24 hours a day, to drop in and play for as long or as short as I want without having to get dressed or go anywhere. But Im not one of those people who have won millions online. I just play little sit & gos, that kind of thing. Obviously the big comps are very tempting Paradise have this million dollar free-roll which is just amazing, who ever heard of a tournament where you can win a million dollars with absolutely no risk at all? but I havent got into playing those yet. I never seem to have the spare nine hours or whatever it takes. But I will. Its my New Years Resolution.
David: Is there a downside for you?
Vicky: For me personally, no. It may be easier to get addicted and harder for losers to stop playing, when the game is available constantly at home. But online poker offers an opportunity to play for much lower stakes than you would find if you went to a casino or even played with friends, so you could just as well argue that its a chance for people to lose LESS than they would do in the real world. Other than that, the only downside I can see is that Im quite big on decent behaviour at the table getting it quietly, losing it gracefully and all that and people who get used to screaming at a computer screen when theyre alone can sometimes transfer that habit to the live game. And Im not up for that at all. Were poker players, not footballers. Its not about yelling in peoples faces and dancing around with your fists in the air.
David: Quite right too
but I fear its too late to change that trend
And in the real world, taking into account that the Vic is your local card room, if you could pick up any other card room in the world and plonk it back down within a ten minute stroll from your home, which one would it be?
Vicky: I have a recurrent dream that there is a magic bridge between my house and Las Vegas, and I can just walk over it and find myself in that beautiful world of 24-hour live action. Its always a disappointment when I wake up and remember that no, you have to do the whole flying thing to get there. But a magic bridge isnt the same as plonking it on my doorstep. I wouldnt want Vegas re-located to somewhere where it rains all the time. In all honesty, call me Pollyanna but the Vic is the card room I want on my doorstep, and it IS! So hurray, frankly.
David: The magic bridge I like
or maybe an escalator
Cash game, Dealers Choice, your button, what are we playing?
Vicky: Ooh
well, there is a dealers game in the Vic and I dont play in it. I stick with the Holdem where there seems to be a bit more ebb and flow. But having said that, I love all the variants and we play those in my home game; Id hate them to die out in this Holdem-obsessed modern world. Omaha hi-lo is a favourite, and I like a bit of deuce-to-seven triple draw. But in our home game, the best-loved thing is always the newest, and we devise new variants all the time. At one stage we got hooked on a split-pot game which was half Holdem and half baccarat. That was absolutely fascinating. For about an hour.
David: Imagine you found yourself on a slow boat to China, hosting the liveliest poker games known to man. Who would you want with you for company and why?
Vicky: What are the criteria? Theres a man who sometimes plays in the Vic mentioning no names who literally groans when he misses a draw, and raises his eyebrows with excitement when he hits one. If Im looking for someone its easy to win money from, hed be top of the list every time. But if its for the conversation
I mean, this guys no Peter Ustinov and China is a long way.
David: Onboard, theyve organised a charity karaoke night, you have to sing or forfeit $10,000. Whats your big number?
Are you kidding? Id be nipping everyone on the boat until I had the $10,000.
David: While were talking about music, what was the last album you bought or downloaded?
Vicky: Do you want an honest answer to that? I just downloaded The Seekers greatest hits. I never pretended to be cool.
David: I have to say I preferred their Grunge period
before they decided to teach the world to sing that is
Your desert island favourites Tell me three songs youd have to take with you?
Vicky: The first choice is easy: Better Not Look Down by BB King. Thats my little life anthem. And Id take Happiness Is A Warm Gun by the Beatles, which I think is probably the greatest song ever and I can hear it a lot of times without getting bored. Who knows how long I might be on this island? But the third would totally depend on mood. Maybe something from Ella Fitzgeralds album of Cole Porter songs. They always make me smile.
David: Ah yes
Mark Chapmans favourite Bang Bang Shoot Shoot, very romantic, very girly
it is a great song, with a great line about soap in it
How many songs can say that
Going back to the ship
a storm brews
the ship goes on the rocks and a sinking situation ensues. You manage to climb into an empty lifeboat
it has only one lifejacket. As you drift slowly away from the sinking vessel you spot two fellow survivors struggling in the raging waters. 20 yards off the starboard bow, Michael Arnold is virtually awake, clinging to a ships door
25 yards off the port side Gus Hansen reaches out helplessly in your direction
his exquisitely toned body glistening in the moonlight. You look around and see that there is enough food and water on the boat to last two people a number of weeks adrift at sea
Who gets the life jacket
Gus or Mike?
Vicky: !!! I am guessing the implication here is that Gus Hansen is supposed to be sexy. He doesnt really ring my bell no offence. But even if he did
you know, I genuinely love Michael Arnold. Youd have to make it someone like my brother or my best friend Charlie before Michael goes under. The choice you offer is not a tough one. Having said that, are we going to be washed up on the desert island you mentioned before? I dont think Michael Arnold would be a lot of use when it came to hacking down palm trees and killing bears for meat. If Im looking for survival skills in the wilderness, I guess Id have to go with Gus.
David: Oh yes, of course
his survival skills
LOL
anyway
staying on this Titanic theme
give me five of your favourite films excluding the pornographic one you made earlier
Vicky: What, I have a VCR on this island now? Do I have popcorn? (Not for long, if Michael Arnolds with me). I suppose
oh, you know, nothing startling. The Graduate is probably my number one, and Some Like It Hot. Top Secret and Blazing Saddles are the funniest. And then Id have
Mary Poppins. God I love that film. Am I the first poker player youve talked to who didnt say Goodfellas?
David: Yes you are, but the fact that your favourite song is all about heroin addiction makes up for it. I wouldnt have a bad word said about Mary Poppins either
And a good film youve seen recently?
Vicky: Capturing The Friedmans is the best film Ive seen for a year or two. But I wouldnt have it on the island. Its pretty depressing.
David: I read something about it
it sounds a bit harrowing...its been nominated hasnt it
Your favourite line of dialogue (any movie or TV)?
Vicky: Nobody puts Baby in a corner, of course. Have you MET girls? We all love that one.
David: I have a feeling Id lose a few geezah points if I knew what you were talking about
.Lets move on
LOL
Youre producing Celebrity Poker Big Brother
who are your first 5 contestants in the house?
Vicky: I think you asked me this one before. Lovely Pedro (a Vic player and one of lifes characters) is the obvious choice. And as a long-time Big Brother aficionado, I know its important to have someone in the house who is going gradually insane, so Id put Phil Hellmuth right in there with him. And Id leave the two alone for as long as possible. You need a love interest, so I might throw in Cindy Violette with John Duthie and figure its only a matter of time. Theyre both so gorgeous, how could either of them resist? And then Id send in my friend Hugo, just to make myself laugh.
David: I ask everyone that one twice, I stutter that way
.Pre-Army Elvis, the black leather comeback or King of Las Vegas?
Vicky: Dont be silly. Obviously Id have him when he was thin.
David: And on the subject of Las Vegas
having not enjoyed the Rio experience do you plan to go back for the World Series next year?
Vicky: Thats your toughest question yet. I would absolutely love it if the whole poker world said: No. Enough. You took us away from the beautiful history of Binions and the sociable companionship of downtown. You put us in a horrible, over-lit, freezing-cold conference building without decent food or toilet facilities. You pushed us around at the whims of ESPN, without paying us any money to appear on your giant lucrative TV show. And now youre moving the whole thing to the hottest time of the year, when nobody wants to go to Vegas, just because youve figured were mugs who will fill up your hotel when nobody else is dumb enough to do so. And you know what? NONE OF US is coming. Were ALL staying away, your World Series will be a flop, and youll have no choice but to put the situation right again. But of course that wont happen, and next year itll be 20,000 people who turn up, and I might well be one of them. I am actually planning to stay away Im hoping to get to Vegas at a different time, probably April/May when it was actually really nice to be there. But I cant promise I wont crumble at the last.
David: And what a shame there are so few Holdem tournaments
Mind you, 8 weeks of one table NLH satellites
right up your street?
Well, I personally think there is more skill and challenge in a pot limit cash game, so I would enjoy that more. People have been getting a bit hysterical about tournaments lately. I like one-tables and NLH too, I just think they might get dull over eight weeks. But its like the male joke about Describe the worst blowjob you ever had
Fantastic!. You offer me an eight-week card game of any kind, Im not going to say no.
David: LOL
Now theres a question I should have asked you
Finally, in one sentence, or just three words, whats the best advice you could give to someone just starting out in poker?
Vicky:
within your bankroll.
Thats three words. If they cant work out the rest of the sentence, they probably shouldnt be playing mind games for money anyway.
David: Thanks Vicky, its been a enjoyable as always, good luck with everything
Ill look forward to seeing you again soon.
Vicky: Its been a pleasure. Have a nice week.
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